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do you believe that extraterrestrial intelligence
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if you had to assign a probability to that
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intelligence has visited visited this planet
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thank you foreign

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hey guys welcome to somewhere in the live
stream episode 16 a live stream we do here

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at somewhere in the skies every Sunday 4 P.M
Eastern Standard 9 p.m UK time and this is

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gonna be a fun one this is probably going
to be one of the most laid back episodes yet

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because I have one of my closest friends friends
first colleague Second Jason MccLellan is

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going to be joining us in just a moment um
but I do want to say hello to all our regulars

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in the chat we've got Andrew Lance um we've
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than I am on my own live stream so you gotta
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right guys Owen is here go back later Poppy
and John welcome guys welcome so we're gonna

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have fun tonight like I said we've got a couple
news stories for you guys a couple podcasts

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highlight Clips um but the big story obviously
is this talk that Gary Nolan gave in New York

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City recently so we'll be breaking that down
with our guest let's bring him in you know

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him you love him he is the one and only Jason
MccLellan welcome back my man Ryan buddy it's

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so good to be here I am honored to join you
again and man our our hangout is long overdue

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it's been a while I've been uh busy moving
and and whatnot life gets busy but we're here

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we'll be doing this more often yeah absolutely
yeah we're going to talk about what's going

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on over at Rogue planet and everything else
but um yeah man it's I know you are in the

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process of moving um I I feel like everyone
thought you just disappeared from the UFO

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Community but here you are you're you're here
um I want to get your thoughts on the UFO

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Community right now because you and I have
been in this for a while um but a lot of people

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a lot of people in the chat are kind of new
and we're seeing um some interesting things

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going on in UFO Twitter world right now um
as as they always are as they usually are

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um but so much is happening like I feel like
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everything going on um so I want to get your
thoughts on that too but um let's start with

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a couple fun stories before we get into the
meat of the conversation which obviously was

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the Gary Nolan conversation um so let's start
with this one right here UFO filmed flying

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towards a volcano moments before it erupts
so I got this story from our good friends

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uh over at Coast to Coast AM uh Tim Bernal
especially um and he writes over there a recent

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video emerged from Mexico showing a UFO flying
towards a volcano moments before it unleashes

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a massive eruption this is captured by a webcam
which watches over the um popocate Peto volcano

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in the state of Puebla um did I pronounce
that right there we go thank you five times

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fast yes it's very fun to say that that's
that's the uh the white boy coming out in

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me right now um but let's go ahead let's play
the video because I want to get people's thoughts

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this is definitely going to be a visual episode
guys so I know um usually Jason I'll release

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this in audio form on Wednesdays uh so if
you guys are just listening to this in the

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future on Wednesday um go watch this YouTube
version because we're gonna play these UFO

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videos kind of uh have some fun breaking them
down and giving our thoughts um so yeah let's

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go ahead I'm just gonna play the video Jason
and we'll talk about it on the other side

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so yeah perfect

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so this is what I know about this footage
this was captured on May the 15th 2023 just

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after 5 a.m Mexican time so in the footage
we can see this round brightly lit object

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or an orb that seems to appear just before
the volcano erupts and to me it's unclear

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does it go inside the crater or does it go
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right so that's our first video it comes from
us from that YouTube channel hidden underbelly

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I think it's called um who's been putting
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like um whoever they are who runs that channel
they're kind of um given third phase of moon

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and uh what's that other one secure team 10
giving them a run for their money um but at

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least he like kind of walks you through if
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they'll give you as much information as he
can which is um more than we get from a lot

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of UFO videos um but what do you think of
this one man what what do you make of this

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object heading towards an erupting volcano
any thoughts or theories on what this could

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possibly be we see so many videos like this
um you know and we had we like to talk about

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UFO hot spots or or places that UFOs might
be attracted to and we hear a lot of especially

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recently about nuclear locations where nuclear
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facilities um but I always like to remind
people that UFOs are seen everywhere all around

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the world every single day and a better a
stronger case could be made for uh connections

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to anything because UFOs are everywhere certainly
somewhere we see lots of videos and reports

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our UFOs and volcanoes our UFOs attracted
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reason I know how to pronounce is because
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many times and seen so many videos it looked
like this and far stranger and in many cases

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those lights have been identified as helicopters
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hard to to gauge perception from this vantage
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these volcanoes like this are not your your
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30 frames a second or 60 frames per cent per
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shooting much much slower at 12 or 15 frames
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way slowed down so you can see the object
you can see the slow volcanic eruption which

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looks really cool and really terrifying but
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air traffic in the area behind the volcano
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we know that's the case in this particular
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and based on prior things I've seen with volcanoes
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all the time interesting yeah I know I always
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though because it always Harkens back for
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think it was with uh Carlos De Los Santos
who had like the the flying saucers follow

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his Piper plane and even like crashed into
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and then apparently these flying saucers like
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a volcano um and I I always wonder like is
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are interested in when it comes to our our
volcanoes or or these these areas of natural

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uh occurrences whether it's water volcanoes
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I'd have to agree with you like it's probably
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maybe like are there drones that try to get
near these things as they're erupting I I'm

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sure people are trying to get the coolest
footage they can of right yeah that's more

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more and more an issue um obviously they're
not allowed to do that but they still do um

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and the helicopters too the air traffic is
you know told to stay back but they don't

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always do that but again perception it's hard
to tell how close these things actually are

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right yeah are they close or is that something
far away so yeah yeah so if your video works

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yeah that's how video works guys um as we'll
learn from our next one as well um I do want

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to say hello Jason just to a few other people
here while I can hello to Doug Sprigg um Susan

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sprig is here Sprague family always representing
jazz is here he's one of our regulars who

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comes every week Jazz thank you so much for
being here buddy appreciate it as always Red

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Devil Brian um hello hello hello guys um all
right let's move to the next one Jason triangular

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UFO filmed in Spain um let's just play it
I'm gonna play it um do I have any information

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on this one I do um let's just play it and
then we'll talk about it um on the other side

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here perfect give me one sec here we go

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thank you

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so this is what I know about this footage
this was captured on May the 8th 2023 and

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the camera that was used was an nvg10 night
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this object moving around now I'm a bit unsure
to this being one single object or three separate

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orbs following each other such as the Foo
Fighters um there are some times when it does

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seem to block out the Stars which would indicate
it's one solid object but there's there's

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other times when the movement down it looks
like it could be three separate objects yeah

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there we go man triangular UFO uh hello to
Ted long that looks like the strip from the

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old Asteroids game that's that's kind of what
I thought at first as well um and uh what

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was the other thing I wanted to mention before
we go into this one Jason [Music] um I'm forgetting

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so we're gonna we're just gonna talk about
it um what do you make of it what do you make

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of this triangular video I mean it you know
we see these all the time triangular videos

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and they're very popular and my first question
like he he asked in the video is is it one

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object or is it three separate objects in
a formation what do you think well what I

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think is we wouldn't ever be able to answer
that question right certainly based so just

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based off that video we would never know but
I will say night vision videos they are the

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best head scratchers especially when you witness
them yourselves right I mean you can go out

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and do Sky watching and when you use night
vision um there's there's so much in our skies

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you know and you're almost guaranteed to see
something that doesn't make sense um and you

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know you and I both have seen many things
with night vision that uh just leaves us scratching

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our heads so and and this video is you know
when I see the the three videos the the supposed

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tr3b videos I don't know a lot of times they
don't make sense to me and not that UFOs have

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to make sense because UFOs don't make sense
most of the time but uh you know that's something

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that I notice with every alleged tr3b video
for some reason you know these three points

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of lights are always visible you always see
these three points of light it doesn't matter

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where it is in the sky how it's turning you
always see these three points of Life they're

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always conveniently pointed toward the camera
um and to me that's a red flag of a creation

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of somebody's because things don't fly like
that I mean watch an airplane watch anything

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in the sky you're not always going to see
the underbelly with its lights shining directly

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toward you very conveniently for your camera
so not saying that it means it's 100 fake

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but that is a red flag to watch out for but
again our skies are absolutely littered and

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they're going to get a lot more crowded very
soon just this past week we saw plans from

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I believe the dod talking about their goals
to move forward with absolutely littering

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uh low earth orbit with with tons and tons
more more constellations of objects like like

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uh spacex's starlink with their constellations
of satellites that's going to become much

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more common as uh you know space becomes more
and more crowded and everybody's looking to

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get more and more stuff up into orbit um at
certain altitudes things are getting too crowded

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so they're going to start moving that around
and it's already an absolute garbage can up

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there it's really sad we've absolutely destroyed
space and there are plans to to try to clean

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up some of that space junk but you know none
of those are really um you know picked up

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major momentum and gotten a lot of a lot of
support behind them but that is becoming a

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huge problem it creates a big problem for
us as UFO researchers because again we're

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dealing with all sorts of things in space
that have limited lifespans that you know

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malfunction they in the reach of their life
cycle they do deorbit so all these things

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are are entering our atmosphere and coming
crashing to Earth all the time and people

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are seeing them so I mean they look weird
we don't know what they are so we're not going

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to recognize them a lot of the stuff is classified
we'll never know what it is so we don't know

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what to look for so this really creates a
big problem for us trying to identify and

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remove things from our our equation is we're
looking at the strange it really makes our

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job impossible the the more crowded space
gets and lower space too you know talking

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just in our in our uh you know lower atmosphere
so who knows Ryan who knows but these night

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vision videos do make you scratch your head
you see things like that that don't have an

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apparent uh explanation that one isn't as
as bizarre as a lot of these are you know

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it didn't do any of these stopping not moving
at all and then shooting off in another Direction

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something we both seen many times before too
but uh yeah I I do love watching those because

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it really makes the wheels in my head spin
and I I would love to figure out what that

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stuff is yeah yeah the triangles just freak
me out man there's something yeah about them

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obviously um considering I think I've seen
one um I don't know I don't know maybe what

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I saw was a plane maybe that was a plane um
Daylin one of our regulars said it's definitely

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a plane um maybe it just didn't have its safety
lights on or something but um like you said

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it made no interesting Maneuvers it seemed
to be just you know flying the course like

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a normal aircraft would so um yeah again with
such low information data on these things

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uh we can't make any

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they're great for speculation they're great
for you know adding to our our pile of of

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supporting evidence and we consider it and
move forward I mean there's nothing we can

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do with that that's not something that's going
to be identified is what it is it is what

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it is yep all right well let's move on from
UFO videos because we could spend two hours

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just debating those um you mentioned um low
sort of atmosphere we're going to talk about

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a story in the stratosphere in just a moment
but before that because Rogue Planet covers

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all the strange I had to sneak in a Bigfoot
story so let's cover this one um because this

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is this is a fun one uh let me pull this up
here Sasquatch hand possibly found in Canada

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so let me go ahead and read this really quick
this again comes from our buddy Tim Bernal

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over at Coast to Coast AM workers planting
trees in Canada made a discovery in the form

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of a creature's foot excuse me not a hand
I I miss that was a typo in my title there

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um a foot that some suspect could be that
of a Sasquatch the unsettling find occurred

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last Thursday at a camp near Alexis Creek
in British Columbia photos were shared on

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social media by Joanne Joanna Finch who called
upon friends who know archeology anthropology

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paleontology or weird animal identification
to help in determining the nature of this

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crazy humanoid foot Skeptics put forward that
it could be the Paw of a wolverine or a bear

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renowned Sasquatch researcher Jeff Meldrum
who you guys see there on the screen who was

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also a professor of anthropology and Anatomy
at Idaho State University examine the images

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and unfortunately concluded that the appendage
is a left-hand foot of a bear and sadly not

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a Sasquatch ball so the reason I brought this
story up Jason was not you know to keep people

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you know wondering what it was uh we know
what it was this was from a bear and you and

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I run into this all the time well these stories
are fun and excited and it's like oh my God

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we finally have proof of a Bigfoot um it's
a bear so let's talk about that in terms of

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um not debunking but explaining these things
you know Jeff Meldrum is known for his work

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in the Bigfoot world and um a lot of people
send him hate for uh debunking a lot of these

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things but that's literally his job so yeah
why don't you mind um maybe giving us your

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thoughts on you know the importance of explaining
these things away instead of keeping the mystery

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alive of course yeah that's that's what research
is nobody said research is guaranteed to be

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fun or sexy or always going the way you want
it to go I mean the point of research is making

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truth the focus of your quest as I always
say you know if you're if you're truly interested

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in finding out the truth of something you
have to put put aside your your preconceived

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notions your your personal biases and your
personal end goals and follow the evidence

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see where it leads and keep an open mind um
and then take what you learn and apply that

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to your personal beliefs that's how this all
works with UFOs with Bigfoot with any of it

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this is all a personal quest for everybody
we all view things differently we all Place

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different importance levels on the types of
evidence we receive and in this case and in

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any other case I applaud how this was all
done because the witness from the witness

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to The Experts you know everybody was just
looking for an answer the witness themselves

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went out sought you know help from experts
from phds from people who would have specialized

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knowledge to be able to identify something
like this and in the course of research when

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you're looking for the truth that's what you're
doing you're you're just seeing where the

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evidence leads and in this case the scientists
responsibly said this is what it is even though

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that kind of goes against the the pro pro
Bigfoot uh mindset you know you've gotta gotta

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be honest in your research uh present the
evidence as it comes and move forward from

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that we can't move forward if we get hung
up on every little thing and try to force

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it to fit into a puzzle that we're looking
at and uh you know if that happens that means

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the researcher doing that is not interested
in the truth they're pushing an agenda or

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trying to bolster their own personal beliefs
and that's dishonest that's uh disingenuous

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and it doesn't help anybody it might help
them feel good and feel better about themselves

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and their personal beliefs but again that
works for some people and that's what some

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people want if that's what they're looking
for good me myself I'm I'm only interested

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in the truth so you know a lot of the times
it's very deflating you know we don't get

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the news we want but we volunteered we entered
this this world of the weird and in the world

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of the word more times than not it's going
to be a want moment because most of these

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things have mundane explanations they're just
issues with our perception things that we're

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encountering that we've never encountered
before things that we're learning for the

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first time things that are outside our Norm
right and there's so much of that in this

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weird world that we barely understand things
on our planet we barely even scratch the surface

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of whatever reality is right there's lots
of room for strange out there there's lots

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of room for learning new things as we move
forward so we have to keep an open mind and

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consider all possibilities especially when
dealing with strange subjects like these because

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there's things outside our understanding but
when the explanation for most of these things

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that come out are within our understanding
things that we can resolve and move past that's

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what we're we're wanting to do because as
we see time and time again we are just flooded

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with absolute garbage and that doesn't help
anybody because that's the stuff that gets

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the big headlines because that's the stuff
that looks sexy that's the stuff that looks

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strange and everybody wants to talk about
it everybody goes on the news and talks about

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it people pick up these headlines and run
with it and it spreads like wildfire across

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media around the world and then it comes out
you know they identify the identification

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is made it's something mundane and that just
pops the balloon and then we're two steps

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back instead of you know being one step forward
where we could be if we responsibly took care

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of things and identified in the right way
from the very beginning and moved on to things

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that are deserving more attention we're not
to that point now and and I don't know you

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know how we get to that point if that's a
point we can get to that's part of the frustrating

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nature of dealing with the strange and that's
why being involved in this field really takes

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a lot of patience it takes a lot of understanding
because otherwise you get really defeated

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you get really really depressed and you just
want to move on and you and I have been there

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before many times as have many researchers
in this field you know it's hard to to stay

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focused and not not get so beat up and defeated
because everything you're looking into you

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know you're able to explain and I think that's
a good thing it's a good thing when you get

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to that point when you're able to identify
more than be confused by more right that's

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when the table is turned and you can focus
more of your attention on the things that

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are truly anomalous right and that small percentage
is always there in some form and I know that's

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what keeps you and I going like absolutely
we're not we're not like debunkers by trade

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or anything like that but and I'm willing
to keep an open mind but I love stories like

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this where there is a generation you know
um we're going to talk about a story that

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absolutely blew up and went viral um and and
the individual involved with that has kind

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of walked it back since which I think was
very smart on their part um but we will discuss

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it because there's a lot to dissect that sure
um but I gotta ask before we move on to our

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next story um which is more space related
um well Stratosphere related I should say

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um you mentioned open minds I have to ask
you know you worked full-time free a UFO investigatory

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organization um you know going out and and
trying like we said to explain you have sightings

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that came to you guys at open minds and everything
did you guys ever come across any reports

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of Bigfoot while you were working at open
minds or UFO Bigfoot connections or Cryptids

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at all did that ever happen in your time with
open minds I've always been curious to uh

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yeah yeah it sure did I mean we we certainly
heard a bit of everything you know we we because

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of who we were and how prominent we were in
the field at the time with you know an internationally

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distributed print magazine and uh the largest
annual UFO conference in the world we had

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a lot of people coming to us all the time
with all sorts of evidence all sorts of claims

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all sorts of stories and and requesting meetings
with us and we did a lot of that uh you know

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over the span of several years but because
of what our what our company was and where

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our Focus was a lot of the the things that
I might have been you know very interested

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in or you know certainly Maureen Ellsbury
too our colleague um things we would have

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loved to have to have pursued and tracked
down just were outside our wheelhouse outside

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of what we were focused in because we were
purely UFO extraterrestrial that's what the

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topics were that we focused on and we didn't
have the bandwidth to do anything else so

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and you know at the time because I was working
for that that organization I was also uh Bound

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by their their non-compete Clause as well
so I my hands were tied pretty much too and

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and what I could actively explore and and
uh you know go into so um now we didn't get

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to really do anything we got to talk to a
lot of people um I remember one of the Bigfoot

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things I did get involved with a little bit
was there was a a Bigfoot hoaxer and he'd

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hoax Bigfoot but stuff before too and I forget
his name uh Dwyer I think was his name but

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uh he made a a fake Bigfoot body and put it
in a freezer and claimed that he discovered

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this Bigfoot and and our Buddy Lee Spiegel
who is working for the Huffington Post at

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that time uh did this big story on it we were
we were in constant communication going back

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and forth as we were researching this thing
and uh the guy was so full of [\h__\h] and

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it was just a complete fabrication and and
that was known but uh the the biggest thing

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that came out of our our Lee's and and my
communication back and forth was how shocked

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we were that in this supposedly anatomically
correct you know this perfect Bigfoot that

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had been created Lee noticed that the Bigfoot
had a very SMI uh tiny penis so you know the

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the rumor of the the big feat equals big else
elsewhere um it's not the case with Bigfoot

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apparently so Bigfoot's not packing big footage
wow the ratio is off guys the headline of

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his his uh story too or something like Bigfoot
little dick or something

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if you're gonna fake an entire Bigfoot body
like yeah you gotta make it as accurate as

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possible and as we all know you know the the
feet do match usually oh and they were plenty

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plenty of stories out there in UFO lore about
Bigfoot sex let me tell you so yeah we got

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a lot of sexy Squatch fans here in the chat
I've seen we got some uh some kinky folks

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here tonight um I wrote it I wrote a story
for for to the Stars too that was was Bigfoot

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related that was about a story and I don't
remember the source of it I think it was out

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of Siberia even so it was you know more of
a Yeti story but um and I found other stories

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too talking about uh the odor of of Bigfoot
type creatures and not just odor from their

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bodies but odor from their genitalia and apparently
it is it was the way it was described was

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like a baby's diaper and they were just making
Sasquatch sex sound really really unappealing

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yeah it's not good yeah my stomach just turned
yeah it's not good it's not good oh God man

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yeah um well all right last question I promise
before we move on to the next story um so

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yeah you worked with Tom Delong to the stars
for a little bit so I'd love to ask um your

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opinion on what was that experience like like
I know which of the Stars Academy you know

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uh kind of a big reason some of the people
moved on is because Tom is very uh to put

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it lightly he's very out there like he's got
some pretty pretty uh extraordinary beliefs

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if I might you know steal a term from Jeremy
Corbell and um he likes the weirder stuff

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um so you know going from something like open
minds which is was very fact evidence-based

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um and then moving over to something like
to the Stars before you know everything happened

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with what to the Stars would inevitably be
um what was that like working with him and

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and trying to track down these really really
weird stories it must have been kind of Whiplash

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from the the open mind stage um if I would
Venture I guess it was quite a bit different

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but I will say I I absolutely love Tom Tom
is fantastic and uh you know that was a blast

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Tom is no he's no not shy at all about uh
his ADD and bouncing off the walls and going

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from Project to project to project that's
how he works he's got to keep himself busy

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so he's he's constantly shifting focus and
uh he's hard to keep on track but uh I love

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I love Tom I love him I love his passion and
uh you know love or hate what what ttsa did

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what they are now they they deserve all the
credit in the world Tom really does because

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it is my my opinion I know it's not a popular
one and you know say what you will about crazyrockstar

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Tom or any of the other people associated
with that company but he really did uh you

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know light the fire and and cause kind of
the chain reaction that led to everything

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we're seeing today at the Congressional level
that is an opinion of mine but it's also pretty

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much documented fact and uh you know you can
talk to to Lou and you can talk to Chris Mellon

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I mean none of this would have happened without
Tom and to the Stars putting all that in motion

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and by those guys having to the stars as a
vehicle they were able to do what they did

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affect the Congressional language and and
uh you know work with Leslie Kane and get

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the New York Times involved I mean all of
that stuff Tom deserves the credit he really

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does yeah I know it might sound weird for
some people to hear me say that but Tom will

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forever have my respect for that I do hold
Tom in high regard and have a higher opinion

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of him than I think most do because I did
personally work with him and I consider him

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a friend and shocking as it always is when
I say it Tom is the most well-read person

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on this subject on the subject of UFOs and
the Paranormal in general I think but specifically

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about UFOs that I've ever met and I've met
probably every leading UFO researcher there

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is I've uh you know met countless people in
in this field you know from fan to to expert

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if there is such a thing and he is by far
the most well-read person so as crazy as what

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John might seem to some as as off-putting
as he might be to you uh that's that's just

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Tom right we're all different and Tom's a
rock star but he's a rock star who is passionate

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about something knowledge about some knowledgeable
about something and he got it got off his

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ass and uh put his money where his mouth was
and made it happen so and even stepped away

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from blink to make that happen too that was
a big part of it and now he's back with blank

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so I hope he's having a blast I mean he's
come full circle I love the guy and uh I know

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he's got a lot a lot more things lined up
and we're going to see a lot more from to

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the Stars very soon right yeah we had someone
in the chat just asked what happened to ttsa

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that's a great question we'll cover that very
quickly here um James Craig with a super chat

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um says love the glasses Jason um you oh you're
always rocking the glasses man you're so stylish

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hey man it's not fun wearing glasses but if
you got to wear glasses have fun have fun

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with them your T-shirt too everyone's commenting
on your T-shirt definitely got some definitely

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Pour Some Sugar on Jason I saw someone say
yeah um well yeah Jeff just released an album

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this week so I'm feeling lucky yeah oh my
God it's a it's it's a a reworking of of their

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old some of their old music but they did it
with the Philharmonic Orchestra so it's uh

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definitely Def Leppard on another level it's
kind of crazy yeah checking that one out that's

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for damn sure that's awesome hysteria is still
one of my favorites absolutely to be honest

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um well ttsa yeah I mean they're still I mean
stuff is still happening I mean um you know

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Monsters of California is going to be coming
out hopefully soon I can't wait for that it

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sounds like it's going to be amazing um you
know um but yeah in terms of what ttsa is

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doing they've made it pretty clear that they're
kind of just focusing on the entertainment

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aspect right now which is that's where you
get the money to continue the work so yeah

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we're not getting the spaceship like we were
maybe originally promised but like you said

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Thomas got like you know he's got a million
balls in the air all the time so maybe he'll

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move back to the uh building a spaceship someday
but uh yeah yeah I don't know what do you

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think what do you think about where ttsa is
right now Jason we'll see I mean they've got

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a lot of moving Parts they still have big
plans on their table and I know that as we

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all watch as Spectators it's easier to to
get upset and demand and want things to happen

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right now you know it's no different than
being a Star Wars fan and wanting the next

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Star Wars movie or or you know anything like
that it comes down to fandom and that's what

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what we really are at the point as Spectators
just sitting back and watching things happen

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and the same thing with you know the Pentagon
and and arrow and any of these groups you

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know we get so frustrated when these things
are established and months later we don't

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see anything after these things have been
going but things take time they really do

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so I think patience is always at the right
approach I my personal opinion I don't think

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everybody anybody should have ever seriously
considered that a spaceship was coming or

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any of those ridiculous things but uh yeah
I mean right from the start with an entertainment

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company led by an entertainment person trying
to take an entertainment Spin and have some

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interesting content for that entertainment
so I think that's still going forward but

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they've opened a lot of doors they've got
a lot of important people working with them

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on these projects and you know what it's it's
uh focusing a lot on the audience that you

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and I try to focus on Ryan and that is not
the UFO community that we are a part of and

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we love but on the general public and the
subset of the general public being the younger

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generations of that general public because

388
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all people in my opinion but certainly younger
people right now are very open to all of these

389
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strange topics and you know when we speak
of things like Comic Cons to General Public

390
00:40:58,790 --> 00:41:06,079
audiences they are so much more excited so
much more level-headed and so much more willing

391
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:12,440
to learn how to get involved and get involved
responsibly and participate in in all of these

392
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:18,650
things that we do I love properly not properly
properly is the wrong word but responsibly

393
00:41:18,650 --> 00:41:25,880
trying to to do our public education efforts
and not not create false hope in people but

394
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you know lay out the the the the situation
as it is for people and let people uh take

395
00:41:31,571 --> 00:41:37,720
the reins and and take control over their
own exploration into this strange yeah absolutely

396
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:42,440
man that public you know public education
is a big part like you said of what you and

397
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,369
I like to do and and getting younger people
involved and that was kind of one of Tom's

398
00:41:47,369 --> 00:41:51,690
uh goals from the very beginning and I think
he did an amazing job with that look at how

399
00:41:51,690 --> 00:41:58,109
many new people came into the UFO field once
all of that happened it's really it's amazing

400
00:41:58,109 --> 00:42:03,740
it's extraordinary it is it is and look I
I I also want to make make this clear too

401
00:42:03,740 --> 00:42:08,940
because you know we live in a weird time and
and you know social media gotta love it and

402
00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:12,970
hate it at the same time and it's certainly
a lot different now the social media landscape

403
00:42:12,970 --> 00:42:17,589
than it was uh you know when you and I got
involved in this field a long time ago Ryan

404
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:25,850
but um but uh you know there's it seems lately
that you either have to 100 percent love and

405
00:42:25,850 --> 00:42:31,660
worship somebody or you have to 100 be against
them and want to burn them to the ground and

406
00:42:31,660 --> 00:42:35,410
that's a really sad State of Affairs I know
that's a human issue it's not a UFO Community

407
00:42:35,410 --> 00:42:41,240
issue it's just humanity and you'll find that
in any Community but I I think that's really

408
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:47,839
sad to see but because we're at that point
I will responsibly clarify that yes I do love

409
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:53,720
and respect Tom I consider him a friend but
I can say that and appreciate the work that

410
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:59,890
he does while also not sharing the same viewpoints
that he does about everything because Tom

411
00:42:59,890 --> 00:43:06,260
does make pretty Grand claims and that he's
he's allowed to do that we all are right we

412
00:43:06,260 --> 00:43:12,420
all again this is an individual Pursuit for
all of us we all have to go down this path

413
00:43:12,420 --> 00:43:17,400
take in evidence as it comes and weigh it
accordingly it's all different this isn't

414
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,250
a religion we all don't have the same beliefs
and we shouldn't and we're not required to

415
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:27,590
so yes I think a lot of what Tom says is is
kind of crazy but he's happy to discuss it

416
00:43:27,590 --> 00:43:33,240
with you and uh you know explain his sources
and why he feels that way but those are his

417
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:39,440
beliefs and good for him so no I don't 100
believe and accept everything that Tom says

418
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:45,840
but I do love the guy I think I wish I had
the energy he does and I'm very very proud

419
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:53,090
for what he's accomplished yeah man talk about
energy to be running ttsa and to the stars

420
00:43:53,090 --> 00:43:59,059
and going on a got an international tour at
this point with blink again I don't know how

421
00:43:59,059 --> 00:44:04,770
he finds the uh the energy to do it but um
okay last question and then we gotta move

422
00:44:04,770 --> 00:44:09,800
on guys to get to the the meat of this conversation
uh diffuse with a five dollar Super Chat thank

423
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,140
you so much really appreciate it ttsa do you
think they will ever finish the two secret

424
00:44:14,140 --> 00:44:20,030
machines book series um that's a great great
question I believe so because aren't they

425
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:26,829
adapting it into a TV show or a movie or something
like a TV show yeah yeah and absolutely I

426
00:44:26,829 --> 00:44:32,119
mean both both the yeah AJ and Peter yeah
they'll they'll definitely wrap those up I

427
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:38,710
don't see that one being held up at all yep
those books are so good I I forget what game

428
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:44,440
momentum once the show comes out yeah yeah
yeah exactly and again like the the blending

429
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:49,530
the truth with fiction like welcome to ufology
everyone's like well you know is he telling

430
00:44:49,530 --> 00:44:55,900
the truth or not um well is anyone telling
just the truth in the UFO field like this

431
00:44:55,900 --> 00:45:01,990
is a disinformation sandwich it has been from
the very beginning you know to tr one truth

432
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:08,200
between two lies so um I think it's genius
what they're doing with the books like implementing

433
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:13,520
small things or you do have to read between
the lines and UFO researchers are pretty good

434
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:19,610
at doing that uh so yeah I'm looking forward
to the hopefully um continuation of the secret

435
00:45:19,610 --> 00:45:26,050
machines books uh for sure for sure but um
anything else Jason with ttsa before we move

436
00:45:26,050 --> 00:45:31,730
on no but on that subject I mean if you get
a chance you should reach out to to Peter

437
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:36,240
lavenda and have him on after an interview
with him he's a great interview he's such

438
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:41,910
a such a sweetheart um always fun to talk
to so he would certainly have more more clarity

439
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:47,660
to provide on that I'm sure yeah yeah I know
I got to get him on I'm there are certain

440
00:45:47,660 --> 00:45:52,170
guests that intimidate me and he's one of
those but you saying he's you know he's very

441
00:45:52,170 --> 00:45:57,240
he's an absolute sweetheart okay perfect I'm
gonna reach out to him after this for sure

442
00:45:57,240 --> 00:46:03,160
um all right guys enough at ttsa we've got
to get to this story because this is really

443
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:10,819
interesting um mysterious infrared sound signals
of Unknown Origin detected in Earth's stratosphere

444
00:46:10,819 --> 00:46:16,640
baffle scientist this story came from the
debrief and Micah Hanks um so a mysterious

445
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:22,460
sound signal has been detected in Earth's
upper atmosphere in the U.S department of

446
00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:28,510
energy scientists say they are currently unsure
of its source um so this quote comes from

447
00:46:28,510 --> 00:46:34,730
Daniel Bowman a principal scientist at Sandia
National Lab he says quote in the stratosphere

448
00:46:34,730 --> 00:46:40,160
there are mysterious infrasound signals that
occur a few times per hour on some flights

449
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:46,730
but the source of these are completely unknown
uh he would also go on to say that the unusual

450
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:51,920
phenomenon was detected amid such conventional
environmental and man-made sounds using a

451
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:58,340
solar-powered hot air balloon um this is going
to tie into a lot of other stuff equipped

452
00:46:58,340 --> 00:47:04,349
with micro barometers used to just detect
low frequency sound the balloons are released

453
00:47:04,349 --> 00:47:08,850
and tracked with GPS over the course of their
high altitude Journeys which sometimes carry

454
00:47:08,850 --> 00:47:14,079
them for several hundred miles Bowman says
that solar powered balloons similar to the

455
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:19,990
ones he and his team construct could also
be used on other planets in our solar system

456
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:25,780
with applications that may include studies
of seismic events occurring on Venus and lastly

457
00:47:25,780 --> 00:47:32,450
for now the source of the mysterious sound
um his device is detected remains unknown

458
00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:40,599
and will require require additional data in
order to unravel their cause um balloons this

459
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:46,770
is huge right now Jason I mean these were
what were shot down over in North America

460
00:47:46,770 --> 00:47:54,480
and some of them maybe not all of them we
don't know for sure um but this goes to show

461
00:47:54,480 --> 00:48:03,280
the type of stuff that are up there constantly
all over the place all the time um and even

462
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:08,579
I don't necessarily think of that you know
I'm like oh there's planes up there um you

463
00:48:08,579 --> 00:48:14,400
know there's there's drones and whatnot but
we don't think of all of these companies All

464
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:20,119
Over America at least that are putting these
things up for weather purposes for scientific

465
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:27,490
purposes um and this is one of them that has
caught a mysterious sound in the stratosphere

466
00:48:27,490 --> 00:48:33,490
which is pretty damn cool if you ask me but
um yeah I guess two-prong question for you

467
00:48:33,490 --> 00:48:38,880
what do you make of this story and second
um this entire balloon conversation I'm I

468
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:44,770
mean it's huge right now in the UFO field
um so yeah yeah let's go with that so I I

469
00:48:44,770 --> 00:48:51,170
love stories like this I mean this is there's
so many fascinating things that are discovered

470
00:48:51,170 --> 00:48:56,950
all the time and these discoveries are going
to end questions they raise are going to come

471
00:48:56,950 --> 00:49:04,319
a lot more frequently because we are just
in a time where where technology is developing

472
00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:09,540
so rapidly and so many companies like you
said are launching new devices and balloons

473
00:49:09,540 --> 00:49:15,720
and shapes and functions that we've certainly
never seen and they don't really make big

474
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:21,660
headlines they're not sexy stories they're
going to be on the news so the general public

475
00:49:21,660 --> 00:49:25,799
doesn't see all these things all the time
and therefore they aren't aware of them so

476
00:49:25,799 --> 00:49:29,210
you know that comes back to the public education
and the importance of that because there's

477
00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:34,530
so much stuff just in our skies all over our
heads right now that we don't see on a day-to-day

478
00:49:34,530 --> 00:49:39,270
basis we don't have an idea you know that
it's even there so when we see it it seems

479
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:43,950
bizarre it seems very alien and therefore
it generates UFO reports it happens all the

480
00:49:43,950 --> 00:49:49,319
time with all sorts of things and it's only
going to get worse so but to the Discovery

481
00:49:49,319 --> 00:49:54,910
part yes I love this and it just back to my
original point that we know so little about

482
00:49:54,910 --> 00:50:00,460
our own planet right here let alone what's
out in space and I mean we're we're still

483
00:50:00,460 --> 00:50:07,900
discovering thousands of new species every
year right on this planet we just we're research

484
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:13,740
so little of our own ocean our own Moon very
small percentage so there's so much still

485
00:50:13,740 --> 00:50:19,589
to learn about this planet and you know in
the upper atmosphere that with these research

486
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:23,869
balloons we're going to learn so much more
and I'm a firm believer that uh you know there's

487
00:50:23,869 --> 00:50:29,230
probably some sort of undiscovered life that
lives in our atmospheres you know atmospheric

488
00:50:29,230 --> 00:50:33,700
beings it's always a great thing to come back
to Trevor James Constable a lot of people

489
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:38,490
have written about the possibility of atmospheric
beings and with UFOs you know we wonder are

490
00:50:38,490 --> 00:50:44,390
they living are they drones are they metal
ships what are they the answer is of course

491
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:48,839
the combination of everything but you know
I I certainly keep that in high probability

492
00:50:48,839 --> 00:50:55,090
when thinking about UFOs that we see here
in our skies the possibility of some undiscovered

493
00:50:55,090 --> 00:51:02,220
life that that is high probability for me
yeah Sky creatures baby you got um what was

494
00:51:02,220 --> 00:51:09,160
that movie nope that came out recently spoiler
alert guys kind of tackles that theory um

495
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:15,390
Ivan T Sanderson has covered it in the past
two biological you know things in our atmosphere

496
00:51:15,390 --> 00:51:21,589
it is really interesting so maybe this is
a new way to discover some new form of life

497
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:29,340
not necessarily from outer space but um like
literally almost you know right at the pushing

498
00:51:29,340 --> 00:51:34,290
the boundary of our own space so I think it's
pretty cool um no matter what the mysterious

499
00:51:34,290 --> 00:51:40,059
sound turns out to be um it's just another
way that we can begin to monitor our skies

500
00:51:40,059 --> 00:51:45,520
for for um anomalous things that might not
remain anomalous which I think again is the

501
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:52,510
important thing um scientific discoveries
are exciting and we should be excited by the

502
00:51:52,510 --> 00:51:57,710
fact that some UFOs do turn out to be new
weather phenomena we never knew about or a

503
00:51:57,710 --> 00:52:04,000
new biological entity out there in the stratosphere
um yeah it's awesome to always be excited

504
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:10,619
about any effort to remove any of these objects
from the equation right absolutely man and

505
00:52:10,619 --> 00:52:19,560
not have them shot down by uh Sidewinder missiles
any longer um yeah yeah we won't get into

506
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:28,231
that um let's move to the conversation that
I know everyone is probably here for and that

507
00:52:28,231 --> 00:52:37,670
was this recent um talk that happened in New
York City with um Stanford's Gary Nolan um

508
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:44,579
so Dr Gary Nolan went to a conference um let
me just read this here I've got a little brief

509
00:52:44,579 --> 00:52:49,200
summary of this Dr Gary Nolan a professor
at Stanford University School of Medicine

510
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:57,790
who was published more than 300 research articles
and holds 40 U.S patents made some pretty

511
00:52:57,790 --> 00:53:02,809
bold comments during a talk at the salt eye
connections conference in New York City on

512
00:53:02,809 --> 00:53:10,270
Thursday titled the Pentagon extraterrestrial
intelligence and crashed UFOs and during the

513
00:53:10,270 --> 00:53:17,089
session uh the moderator Alex clocus founder
and managing partner of salt fund asked Dr

514
00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:23,900
Nolan do you believe that ET intelligence
has visited planet Earth and that was just

515
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:29,510
the beginning Jason like we know that this
presentation dived into a lot of controversial

516
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:36,690
things that Gary Nolan would bring up and
absolutely broke UFO Twitter's Minds so um

517
00:53:36,690 --> 00:53:41,930
I'm gonna go ahead and play a clip um it's
it's a little on the longer side um but not

518
00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:47,430
too long so let's go ahead and hear some of
the highlights from it um and then we'll uh

519
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:56,930
we'll start tackling this piece by piece um
yeah sound good perfect cool Eve that extraterrestrial

520
00:53:56,930 --> 00:54:03,849
intelligence has visited planet Earth I think
you can go a step further it hasn't just visited

521
00:54:03,849 --> 00:54:11,510
it's been here a long time and it's still
here and it has uh basically um you know people

522
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:17,500
talk about the wow signal looking for extraterrestrial
intelligence the wow signal is that people

523
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:22,859
see it on an almost regular basis that's the
communication that's already here and and

524
00:54:22,859 --> 00:54:27,619
that statement seems so incredible that it
it's tough to believe right people hear that

525
00:54:27,619 --> 00:54:35,869
and maybe a lot of people here hear that and
they don't believe it and so I'm curious if

526
00:54:35,869 --> 00:54:41,730
you had to assign a probability to that statement
that you believe extraterrestrial intelligence

527
00:54:41,730 --> 00:54:49,660
has visited visited this planet what probability
would you assign a hundred percent at 12 U.S

528
00:54:49,660 --> 00:54:55,339
senators have signed on to a document that
basically it says we want the information

529
00:54:55,339 --> 00:55:00,890
the establishment of an office arrow in the
Department of Defense has 25 people working

530
00:55:00,890 --> 00:55:05,210
in it right now and what's their what's their
goal collecting the information across all

531
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:11,740
over the uh all of the U.S department of intelligence
sorry Department of Defense intelligence offices

532
00:55:11,740 --> 00:55:17,650
and Coalition of that into a uniform format
for the very first time and provision of that

533
00:55:17,650 --> 00:55:24,480
then to Congress the creation of a whistleblowers
program specifically that allows people from

534
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,310
the from within who I'm going to say this
who've been working on the reverse engineering

535
00:55:28,310 --> 00:55:34,000
programs reverse engineering of objects so
that they can come in and break their Oaths

536
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:39,289
but it's specifically just to talk to Congress
and give that information in classified settings

537
00:55:39,289 --> 00:55:46,700
and that the most recent one that happened
was just last weekend and it created quite

538
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:53,220
a hornet's nest in Washington I mean just
go and look at the number of politicians and

539
00:55:53,220 --> 00:55:59,319
this is interesting on both sides of the aisle
who have come together and signed off on this

540
00:55:59,319 --> 00:56:02,329
statement I mean I was involved last year
with putting together some of the wording

541
00:56:02,329 --> 00:56:09,460
of that uh of that uh the ndaa which was passed
into law so I mean so what are they basing

542
00:56:09,460 --> 00:56:14,990
their opinions on they're basing their opinions
on the dozens of individuals who in one manner

543
00:56:14,990 --> 00:56:19,299
or another have come forward and talked to
them in classified settings so that's the

544
00:56:19,299 --> 00:56:26,160
first thing then my personal experiences with
the individuals who are who well the one person

545
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,540
who actually was involved with collecting
a lot of that original information uh and

546
00:56:30,540 --> 00:56:35,240
then my experience with people who frankly
I know have worked or are working on the reverse

547
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:40,130
engineering programs

548
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:49,490
okay so this thing went crazy viral at least
on UFO Twitter um I know it did make some

549
00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:54,530
national headlines it's probably going to
bleed into this week starting Monday maybe

550
00:56:54,530 --> 00:56:59,880
some bigger absolutely mainstream Outlets
will pick it up or as they always do they

551
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:05,690
always wait you know to see if anything is
really really comes of it but um let's break

552
00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:11,059
down kind of these key points Jason because
um you and I had a discussion as soon as this

553
00:57:11,059 --> 00:57:16,369
thing dropped and people started going crazy
saying this is it this is disclosure this

554
00:57:16,369 --> 00:57:22,180
is the beginning like we can plan our flag
right here at this conference with Gary Nolan

555
00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:28,790
um he went out on a limb to do this and uh
you know is forcing the conversation out there

556
00:57:28,790 --> 00:57:35,920
um so let's I guess let's start with his first
claim of he is 100 confident that we've been

557
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:43,240
visited by an extra terrestrial intelligence
how did that first point kind of resonate

558
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:49,740
with you before we move on I mean I wasn't
surprised hearing it from him you know he's

559
00:57:49,740 --> 00:57:55,820
again nothing he said really is new anybody
who follows him and his interest in UFOs has

560
00:57:55,820 --> 00:58:01,900
heard all this before but uh you know as a
scientist and somebody who's been whether

561
00:58:01,900 --> 00:58:09,250
wanted or not propped up as as a celebrity
scientist in in the UFO community and is is

562
00:58:09,250 --> 00:58:13,770
going on this this talking circuit and talking
to the media and talking to conferences and

563
00:58:13,770 --> 00:58:20,500
things like that on this subject he takes
on this position of authority because he's

564
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:26,930
a Stanford Professor so people view him as
having you know some more Insider or his his

565
00:58:26,930 --> 00:58:32,359
uh thoughts on the matter counting more than
anybody else's so what he says carries weight

566
00:58:32,359 --> 00:58:38,250
like it or not so knowing that you know assuming
he was going to be a responsible scientist

567
00:58:38,250 --> 00:58:43,660
I was expecting you know him to to multiple
times during that talk to do the responsible

568
00:58:43,660 --> 00:58:49,630
thing and say look this is just my opinion
but he didn't really do that so when he's

569
00:58:49,630 --> 00:58:53,400
making these claims you know it's certainly
asking for probabilities that's something

570
00:58:53,400 --> 00:59:00,869
that a scientist should be familiar with but
he just outrights as 100 percent not not backing

571
00:59:00,869 --> 00:59:07,250
up and saying that's my opinion he just said
100 percent so I I'm glad that he's so confident

572
00:59:07,250 --> 00:59:11,710
based on you know things that he's seen and
and you know that's where he's at and his

573
00:59:11,710 --> 00:59:18,940
his belief process but my opinion is as a
scientist who's been elevated to this position

574
00:59:18,940 --> 00:59:25,700
that he's in to not be responsible and make
those those uh differentiations between personal

575
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:31,010
opinion and established fact or things that
have evidence to prove that um he didn't he

576
00:59:31,010 --> 00:59:36,680
didn't go that far he he left it out there
so knowing that a lot of people were going

577
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:42,270
to accept what he said at face value and uh
you know take it from there and a lot of people

578
00:59:42,270 --> 00:59:47,839
did and as we saw they were falling all over
themselves celebrating like something huge

579
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:54,110
had just happened and Revelations had been
made when in fact that's not the case so yeah

580
00:59:54,110 --> 01:00:01,020
right and we have to keep in mind too where
he was speaking like this was literally a

581
01:00:01,020 --> 01:00:07,850
conference that took place near Wall Street
in New York City and is used for companies

582
01:00:07,850 --> 01:00:15,039
and whatnot to try to raise funds for their
Endeavors like this is an investment conference

583
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:21,690
so Gary Nolan wasn't there to like you know
um just disclose the truth about UFOs he's

584
01:00:21,690 --> 01:00:29,230
there for a purpose he's working for several
organizations he clearly is seeking funding

585
01:00:29,230 --> 01:00:35,309
of some sort I would assume otherwise why
would he be presenting this to a group of

586
01:00:35,309 --> 01:00:41,830
you know investors as it were um so we have
to keep that in mind too you know he can he

587
01:00:41,830 --> 01:00:47,329
can excite the audience and get them curious
about UFOs and and what the government is

588
01:00:47,329 --> 01:00:52,700
doing right now with the topic um but at the
end of the day like we have to keep in mind

589
01:00:52,700 --> 01:00:58,110
why he's there uh same with Avi Loeb I did
not know this but Avi Loeb spoke at this event

590
01:00:58,110 --> 01:01:04,240
too about his work with the Galileo project
again most likely looking for some sort of

591
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:09,290
funding for the Galileo project so um I think
that's a point that a lot of people aren't

592
01:01:09,290 --> 01:01:14,900
really paying attention to you like this wasn't
just like some some off the cuff conference

593
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:19,589
that Gary Nolan decided to just go to on a
whim clearly this was all planned ahead of

594
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:25,530
time and and they chose him because probably
he had some pretty Sensational stuff to bring

595
01:01:25,530 --> 01:01:32,190
forward um but for what purpose is kind of
my big question right now is just to get funding

596
01:01:32,190 --> 01:01:39,599
for these Endeavors he's embarking on um I
do think so and and he'd probably admit that

597
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:43,589
at the end of the day but um the other thing
I wanted to bring up to you that you brought

598
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:49,650
up is um you know he never said during this
thing this is my opinion this is my opinion

599
01:01:49,650 --> 01:01:55,731
he's now saying that you know right retroactively
on Twitter telling people guys like this is

600
01:01:55,731 --> 01:02:04,309
just my opinion um possibly a somewhat informed
opinion but uh these are my thoughts and beliefs

601
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:09,770
um so I think that kind of got you know pushed
to the side as well so um yeah wouldn't you

602
01:02:09,770 --> 01:02:16,390
make a of that as well that um you know this
is just one man's opinion um but it would

603
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:20,190
have been nice to have heard him say that
right I think that would have been been the

604
01:02:20,190 --> 01:02:24,480
responsible thing to do knowing you know how
many people are watching him and how many

605
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:29,290
people eat up everything that he says and
and take it as gospel but uh it was good to

606
01:02:29,290 --> 01:02:34,950
see that he was being responsible on Twitter
and posting that after the fact but you know

607
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:39,030
that would have been good for people to see
live it would have made it less sexy but it

608
01:02:39,030 --> 01:02:44,130
would have been good and you know even in
his comments on on Twitter saying that it

609
01:02:44,130 --> 01:02:48,850
was just his opinion and you know look to
the things that you know George knepp you

610
01:02:48,850 --> 01:02:54,119
know has has reported and that's that's more
of a revelation than anything he's doing so

611
01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:59,440
that that kind of deflates it even further
right I mean he is is and people need to understand

612
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:05,480
this that again just because somebody has
impressive credentials doesn't make what they're

613
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:10,609
saying any more important when we're talking
about this when it comes to just personal

614
01:03:10,609 --> 01:03:14,890
opinions because he's an immunologist he's
not talking about something with diseases

615
01:03:14,890 --> 01:03:19,609
or something he's talking about UFOs so and
I don't want to get into that I want you know

616
01:03:19,609 --> 01:03:24,809
how how well versed he is in UFOs because
Gary has been doing UFOs for a long time you

617
01:03:24,809 --> 01:03:30,390
know we certainly remember his uh work with
Stephen Greer um and that's another issue

618
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:37,579
but you know we have people that you know
he falls in line with in in my viewpoint where

619
01:03:37,579 --> 01:03:42,119
he makes these Grand claims goes around on
news shows goes to conferences and makes all

620
01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:47,450
the big sexy claims that we've all heard and
make time and time and time again um but it's

621
01:03:47,450 --> 01:03:53,060
just like Paul Heller who is the defense minister
of Canada who everybody got very excited when

622
01:03:53,060 --> 01:03:58,400
he started talking about UFOs and all this
this knowledge he had about all these various

623
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:05,309
alien races living on Earth with us and people
thought that was all great and very credible

624
01:04:05,309 --> 01:04:10,510
but in the end he was basing everything he
was saying off of things he had read things

625
01:04:10,510 --> 01:04:15,240
he had been told by UFO researchers you know
things from Corey Good's book not Corey good

626
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:22,210
sorry that's terrible oh God no don't make
that mistake no no no but it was all all stuff

627
01:04:22,210 --> 01:04:27,089
from books from UFO conferences Etc so it
was just information that he had read that

628
01:04:27,089 --> 01:04:33,119
he found exciting and began repeating that
to everybody that he met because he trusted

629
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:39,180
those people and there's nothing wrong with
that but I feel the people in important positions

630
01:04:39,180 --> 01:04:43,780
need to make that known that they're not basing
what they're saying off a personal experience

631
01:04:43,780 --> 01:04:47,980
or things that they learned in the course
of their you know time with the government

632
01:04:47,980 --> 01:04:54,630
or whatever almost in all cases these are
people who no longer with the government they

633
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:59,450
started getting involved in UFOs because everybody
is interested in UFOs but they found all this

634
01:04:59,450 --> 01:05:06,400
stuff heard it read it whatever found it to
be incredibly exciting seemed to be very earth-shattering

635
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,349
to them because they've never heard it before
and then they go repeating it to the world

636
01:05:10,349 --> 01:05:15,490
acting like it's this new important thing
that everybody should hear about to me it's

637
01:05:15,490 --> 01:05:20,309
it's uh it's a dangerous road to play and
kind of sloppy when you're in a position of

638
01:05:20,309 --> 01:05:26,380
importance we could even say Harry Reid you
know indicated many times that the evidence

639
01:05:26,380 --> 01:05:31,319
that was so compelling to him was oh just
read the literature it's out there right I

640
01:05:31,319 --> 01:05:36,339
mean that's what everybody says just just
read the UFO books there there's so much information

641
01:05:36,339 --> 01:05:41,470
and UFO books just go read the UFO books and
that'll answer all your questions well yeah

642
01:05:41,470 --> 01:05:47,390
that can give you some nice information to
go with but at the end of the day that's just

643
01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:52,760
what some person said in a book and you know
then you're going around proclaiming that

644
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:58,329
as gospel and people are eating it up like
gospel and treating it like a religion and

645
01:05:58,329 --> 01:06:02,600
that gets very dangerous very fast and we
see the results of that right now so I just

646
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:07,630
think there's a lot of irresponsible uh activity
and behavior going on in the UFO world right

647
01:06:07,630 --> 01:06:14,130
now and some could argue that that's intentional
that people are trying to delegitimize UFOs

648
01:06:14,130 --> 01:06:19,270
as this thing goes forward a pretend uh you
know get the government on board but give

649
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:23,869
get the government on board so they can make
UFO seem ridiculous again I mean this stuff

650
01:06:23,869 --> 01:06:29,680
has all been done before so it's not so far-fetched
but yeah well and people people do like to

651
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:35,640
talk about about how how incredible it is
for for Gary to go out on a limb here and

652
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,740
talk about this stuff in public but as we've
already covered Gary talks about this stuff

653
01:06:39,740 --> 01:06:46,319
all the time time and has been involved in
UFOs and alien babies and all this stuff for

654
01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:50,650
for decades now it's it's nothing new it's
nothing that he's worried about his reputation

655
01:06:50,650 --> 01:06:54,900
his reputation isn't so delicate he needs
to worry about it he can do whatever he want

656
01:06:54,900 --> 01:07:00,250
and he's a tenured professor his job isn't
in Jeopardy he uh that's the the joy of tenure

657
01:07:00,250 --> 01:07:05,030
and professors are encouraged to go out and
do their crazy research uh because they have

658
01:07:05,030 --> 01:07:11,150
that tenure protection so no he's not risking
his reputation what whatever his reputation

659
01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:17,211
is now is what it's been for the past 10 plus
years so I I think that that argument and

660
01:07:17,211 --> 01:07:21,270
people worrying about poor Gary and his reputation
Gary's a big boy and he knows what he's doing

661
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:27,490
so I think he's having fun yeah I think he
is too yeah I remember in an interview recently

662
01:07:27,490 --> 01:07:33,589
he said I'm not your daddy like you guys like
you know do the work yourself to hear him

663
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:40,069
say I'm not your daddy just correct me of
um but yeah in I had that question too I'm

664
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:44,309
like oh God I wonder what Stanford's going
to think about him doing this kind of like

665
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:50,700
when John Mack did his work and what Harvard
thought or Avi lope with what he's doing um

666
01:07:50,700 --> 01:07:57,660
but like a lot of these people already had
um you know John Mack had a much harder time

667
01:07:57,660 --> 01:08:04,650
with Harvard but avilo Gary Nolan like they're
fine they're gonna be just fine um this this

668
01:08:04,650 --> 01:08:08,809
is oh yeah when we we we're in a time where
we have so many senators right I mean all

669
01:08:08,809 --> 01:08:13,109
these people grew up on sci-fi everybody's
a UFO fan now and so all of this is incredibly

670
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:17,679
exciting to everybody you know so we've got
you know both the House and Senate filled

671
01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:23,350
with people who find this stuff endlessly
fascinating it's not anything that people

672
01:08:23,350 --> 01:08:29,259
are going to be shocked at oh this person's
talking about UFOs in a professional setting

673
01:08:29,259 --> 01:08:35,870
it's it's it's a a nothing anymore people
are used to it I know all the time it's become

674
01:08:35,870 --> 01:08:42,250
yeah like it's normal it's normal yeah never
thought I'd see the day um Jazz Shaw with

675
01:08:42,250 --> 01:08:47,029
the Super Chat thanks buddy consider that
Nolan has never said he's seen anything he's

676
01:08:47,029 --> 01:08:52,739
been told things by credible people I find
him credible but it's not disclosure that

677
01:08:52,739 --> 01:08:58,580
that's a really good boy yeah I mean you know
Gary's got his own thoughts opinions um and

678
01:08:58,580 --> 01:09:06,411
he has been told and I think we all okay I'm
just gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna say it we're

679
01:09:06,411 --> 01:09:12,810
at this point right now where a lot of people
are making Promises of you know all these

680
01:09:12,810 --> 01:09:17,440
whistleblowers are going to come forward and
talk about having worked on Crash retrieval

681
01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:22,670
programs and and you know reverse engineering
these things Gary brought these things up

682
01:09:22,670 --> 01:09:34,140
during the talk actually um and I have a feeling
that all of these people who claim that they

683
01:09:34,140 --> 01:09:39,390
know these things and they have sources within
the government and this and that I have a

684
01:09:39,390 --> 01:09:45,770
feeling they're all talking about like the
same person like one or two people and these

685
01:09:45,770 --> 01:09:51,380
are people we know in the UFO field these
are people who have made these claims publicly

686
01:09:51,380 --> 01:10:00,510
uh people like Eric Davis and the Wilson Davis
you know stuff like that um or even you know

687
01:10:00,510 --> 01:10:06,159
the fact that he brought up yeah there are
governmental or military programs looking

688
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:15,449
into crashed you know materials we know that
we know that krata worked with ctsa like that's

689
01:10:15,449 --> 01:10:20,880
a perfect example that was put out front and
center ttsa was doing nothing but bragging

690
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:27,860
about it so we know these things exist um
so I I don't know I don't get all the fervor

691
01:10:27,860 --> 01:10:32,310
and excitement when everything he brought
up in this thing was probably new to everyone

692
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:38,370
in that room but in the UFO Community I just
hoped that people would um have a bit more

693
01:10:38,370 --> 01:10:45,320
you know temper their excitement this wasn't
disclosure um I not saying it wasn't cool

694
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:50,239
to hear Gary Nolan talking about it um I think
getting the stuff out to the public in any

695
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:57,449
way is is beneficial in some ways but it can
hurt it as well you know when you're saying

696
01:10:57,449 --> 01:11:02,560
that you 100 believe we've been visited and
then you go on to say that you know all these

697
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:10,360
whistleblowers are coming forward crash retrieval
programs are happening um material exists

698
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,810
because I was promised I was going to get
it but then at the last minute I didn't get

699
01:11:13,810 --> 01:11:19,520
it so I haven't seen it but I know it exists
because people told me it exists I mean yes

700
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:24,080
yes it's this point we can erase Gary's name
and put in insert name here I mean we've had

701
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:29,409
countless people basically say word for word
all of these things before and to your point

702
01:11:29,409 --> 01:11:34,040
about these whistleblowers yes we we've heard
from you know likely there are people in there

703
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:38,780
we haven't heard of before but in most cases
we've heard the best of the best because we've

704
01:11:38,780 --> 01:11:46,570
had people like George Knapp and you know
even go down uh to Dark Places and talk about

705
01:11:46,570 --> 01:11:51,560
Linda Moulton Howe and other people who do
reach in and find all of these people who

706
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:57,940
have grand stories and milk it for everything
they can and and be really disingenuous and

707
01:11:57,940 --> 01:12:02,160
kind of sleazy with a lot of this stuff but
yes we have been round and round and round

708
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:07,739
with a lot of the material a lot of the people
you know that are being pushed forward as

709
01:12:07,739 --> 01:12:14,620
the best evidence that we have and it seems
that when it comes down to it these Witnesses

710
01:12:14,620 --> 01:12:20,410
who are are going in now to testify because
of the witness whistleblower protection it

711
01:12:20,410 --> 01:12:24,880
doesn't seem like they're all that too concerned
about the Whistleblower protection because

712
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:31,199
they're telling everybody you know all of
these things already and have for years so

713
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:36,550
you know and right after they go in to give
this bombshell secret testimony that they

714
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:40,860
don't want other people hearing about then
all of a sudden we have people like Gary Nolan

715
01:12:40,860 --> 01:12:46,460
uh Danny Sheehan you know going on shows all
over the place that every chance they can

716
01:12:46,460 --> 01:12:53,070
get to tell you exactly what this person said
um I don't know it's just a a wild west right

717
01:12:53,070 --> 01:12:58,770
now with you know things being very sloppy
very uncontrolled and people get excited about

718
01:12:58,770 --> 01:13:06,360
it because development and UFOs yay but when
we step back and look at what's really happening

719
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:11,460
you know it's not really any progress It's
it's activity and it gives us plenty to talk

720
01:13:11,460 --> 01:13:17,420
about and it's great to watch but in terms
of progress a lot of people are pushing they

721
01:13:17,420 --> 01:13:23,350
were having so much progress and I feel that
that's uh creating false hopes um and kind

722
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:28,600
of a misinterpretation of what is happening
yes stuff is happening but at the Congressional

723
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:33,770
level all of this stuff isn't happening because
all of these people have seen such mind-blowing

724
01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:38,360
evidence that convince them that all of these
these things need to happen they're doing

725
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,730
it because they want to they've heard all
the claims and they want the evidence to back

726
01:13:41,730 --> 01:13:46,449
that up and as we've heard they've told us
so far they haven't seen the evidence to do

727
01:13:46,449 --> 01:13:50,840
that people don't like that because we're
very selective in our listening when we want

728
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:56,179
a certain outcome and again that comes back
to the danger of are we really after the truth

729
01:13:56,179 --> 01:14:02,530
or or are we after building our religion of
UFOs it gets really sloppy really fast and

730
01:14:02,530 --> 01:14:10,780
a lot of UFO research has become very sloppy
hmm there you go guys who you pierced me in

731
01:14:10,780 --> 01:14:15,969
the heart with that one Jason no no definitely
definitely it's a dose of reality brother

732
01:14:15,969 --> 01:14:21,810
I get it um you mentioned Daniel Sheehan I
want to play a Quick Clip if you don't mind

733
01:14:21,810 --> 01:14:26,190
because it does tie into this in terms of
what you just said like these claims being

734
01:14:26,190 --> 01:14:32,679
made and that there is no evidence Sean Kirkpatrick
said at the Senate UAP hearing we have no

735
01:14:32,679 --> 01:14:38,990
evidence that any of this is extraterrestrial
um but then you get stuff like this I'm just

736
01:14:38,990 --> 01:14:42,810
gonna play the clip hold on yeah let's play
it and we'll talk about it everybody knows

737
01:14:42,810 --> 01:14:49,022
what UFO is right everybody knows what UFO
is they say yeah but a UAP is something that's

738
01:14:49,022 --> 01:14:53,670
just unidentified aerial phenomena we don't
quite know what it is it can be all kinds

739
01:14:53,670 --> 01:14:57,460
of things you know in the so what they've
done is they're they're trying to avoid the

740
01:14:57,460 --> 01:15:03,750
issue they're trying to avoid the issue of
the the vast bulk of the people who are familiar

741
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:08,469
with this area believe that these are vehicles
and most of the people believe they're from

742
01:15:08,469 --> 01:15:13,670
some extraterrestrial civilization in fact
virtually all of the people that have been

743
01:15:13,670 --> 01:15:21,000
involved inside the government engaged in
top secret investigation of the UFO phenomenon

744
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,949
believe they're extraterrestrial and they
say so I've been in the meetings where they

745
01:15:25,949 --> 01:15:34,030
we talk about it you know uh but the but the
uh the uh executive branch intelligence agencies

746
01:15:34,030 --> 01:15:38,100
don't want to admit that they they don't they
don't want to say they want to keep it as

747
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:42,960
vague as possible they wanted to be anomalous
phenomenon they wanted to they don't want

748
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:48,630
they they want it to be basically an adjective
describing kind of a vague thing instead of

749
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:52,951
it being a noun because everybody knows that
the minute you start dealing with it as a

750
01:15:52,951 --> 01:15:59,429
noun people are going to associate it not
only with the UFOs from an extraterrestrial

751
01:15:59,429 --> 01:16:05,780
civilization but they're going to associate
it with ET contacts of actual encounters that

752
01:16:05,780 --> 01:16:12,920
people hundreds thousands of people have reported
seeing the actual beings that are piloting

753
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:18,560
these UFO vehicles and I can tell you from
having been in the meetings with the inspector

754
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:23,120
General's office and others you know we're
sitting there in the meetings and all they

755
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:28,080
want to talk about is the technology how fast
do these things go how can they possibly turn

756
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:32,909
these Corners like this you know that's going
to be 600 G's of course you know in the minute

757
01:16:32,909 --> 01:16:36,840
you you sit down I said look it you can talk
about the technology of these things as long

758
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:41,030
as you want but you're going to have to come
to grips with who's flying these things who's

759
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:44,810
flying these things and where are they coming
from and immediately you know you get one

760
01:16:44,810 --> 01:16:50,510
of these oh please you know don't don't don't
raise that issue with us you know and so that

761
01:16:50,510 --> 01:16:57,300
that that's going to be one of the major problems
with with this office virtually any communication

762
01:16:57,300 --> 01:17:02,560
that comes into this office to Sean Kirkpatrick's
office where they are talking about an actual

763
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:10,110
sighting of of beings in these craft or Landing
the craft landing and seeing beings that they're

764
01:17:10,110 --> 01:17:15,380
immediately going to put this into some kind
of a category where they don't want to talk

765
01:17:15,380 --> 01:17:16,880
about it

766
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:25,420
he was all over the place there I I mean kudos
to Chrissy I love her to death like she handled

767
01:17:25,420 --> 01:17:31,380
that interview so well like a professional
like she always does but I mean saying you've

768
01:17:31,380 --> 01:17:38,739
been in these meetings and all the people
these meetings know that this stuff is extraterrestrial

769
01:17:38,739 --> 01:17:47,310
I mean I I just I guess we're just supposed
to take his word for that right when you have

770
01:17:47,310 --> 01:17:54,080
and also nice opposite I don't know and not
also scratch your head and wonder why random

771
01:17:54,080 --> 01:18:01,280
people like Danny Sheehan and and uh you know
Gary Nolan and everybody else apparently seems

772
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:08,100
to know exactly what's going on in classified
briefings um you know showing that we maybe

773
01:18:08,100 --> 01:18:12,770
don't have as big of a UFO problem as we think
we do and it comes down to a personal Personnel

774
01:18:12,770 --> 01:18:18,700
issue where everything classified is being
leaked people are just letting their curiosity

775
01:18:18,700 --> 01:18:23,590
and their desire for answers supersede any
sort of policies or procedures and throw it

776
01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:28,110
all out the windows as long as we get our
damn disclosure it's just again it's getting

777
01:18:28,110 --> 01:18:34,340
sloppy there's just all of this stuff happening
um you know and I I don't know how much of

778
01:18:34,340 --> 01:18:40,179
what what is said by people like this um you
know should be considered because again how

779
01:18:40,179 --> 01:18:44,270
do they know about what's going on in classified
briefings they shouldn't but we're getting

780
01:18:44,270 --> 01:18:48,420
leaks all over the place and I know a lot
of people celebrate and say leak that [\h__\h]

781
01:18:48,420 --> 01:18:53,139
we need all the leaks we can get but you know
that that's an ethical issue and it tells

782
01:18:53,139 --> 01:18:57,270
you a lot about the person doing the leaking
I mean then we've run into credibility issues

783
01:18:57,270 --> 01:19:04,429
it's it's very very sloppy very problematic
really fast right and you know I don't want

784
01:19:04,429 --> 01:19:09,590
I'm sure we're pissing off some people in
the chat like we're not Jason and I aren't

785
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:14,739
anti-disclosure by any means we're not anti
look Danny she never was at my wedding okay

786
01:19:14,739 --> 01:19:21,179
just just saying so there you go so like know
that we're we're just trying to parse through

787
01:19:21,179 --> 01:19:29,090
the hypocrisy and and the contradicting statements
going on between you know the head of Arrow

788
01:19:29,090 --> 01:19:34,239
and all these supposed individuals who know
what happened in Skiffs who know what happened

789
01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:39,320
in classified briefings who know what happened
in the classified version of the Senate UAP

790
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:47,320
hearing like okay you have some Source you're
hearing these things good for you but like

791
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:53,840
that does nothing for the rest of the public
except your own ego of self-importance that

792
01:19:53,840 --> 01:20:02,070
I know this um ah I'm just and I will go further
Ryan and say it also contributes to damaging

793
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:09,469
the study of UFOs and damaging the government's
in interest and and willingness to be involved

794
01:20:09,469 --> 01:20:16,679
in all of this because they're finally playing
along a little bit but at the same time you

795
01:20:16,679 --> 01:20:20,949
know they're seeing all of these leaks happen
they're seeing everybody discuss what apparently

796
01:20:20,949 --> 01:20:26,610
is happening in classified briefings um you
know and that's a problem they're going to

797
01:20:26,610 --> 01:20:31,260
run into National Security issues really fast
when people are playing fast and loose with

798
01:20:31,260 --> 01:20:35,540
with classified briefings and classified information
and that's going to get locked down really

799
01:20:35,540 --> 01:20:41,750
fast and we're going to stop hearing the little
bit that we do so so for people clamoring

800
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:46,830
and wanting you know these these departments
to to be more transparent to share more with

801
01:20:46,830 --> 01:20:53,620
us um forcing their hand seems to be the approach
that a lot of people are taking when I think

802
01:20:53,620 --> 01:20:59,000
that's a childish approach and one that could
backfire and seemingly already is backfiring

803
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:05,760
hmm all right I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate
advocate for just a moment with that yes only

804
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:10,739
because and I think I know what your answer
is going to be because you're so damn level-headed

805
01:21:10,739 --> 01:21:18,540
and I love it um not always without without
pushing the government into a corner we probably

806
01:21:18,540 --> 01:21:25,900
never would have gotten this post 2017 ufology
and maybe some people are happy if that had

807
01:21:25,900 --> 01:21:30,950
never happened but um what what do you think
of maybe that side of the coin of like had

808
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:35,659
we not leaked I had those videos not been
leaked had that New York Times article not

809
01:21:35,659 --> 01:21:42,790
come out we would have nothing um I don't
know that what do you think about that yeah

810
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:46,800
I definitely see that point and the landscape
would be a lot different it really would but

811
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:52,310
at the same time we would be somewhere else
you know there are always efforts underway

812
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:58,920
um as they love to tell us the government
was very active in UFO research if we listened

813
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:04,250
to Louis zando so you know stuff from that
would have come out anyway people were starting

814
01:22:04,250 --> 01:22:09,150
to become aware of it you know certainly the
the three videos had been out um you know

815
01:22:09,150 --> 01:22:13,170
that stuff always circulates but we also have
to remember that the government isn't the

816
01:22:13,170 --> 01:22:17,270
holder of everything UFO yeah I know a lot
of people believe that there's this massive

817
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:22,260
cover-up and they control everything there
is to know about UFOs but that is not the

818
01:22:22,260 --> 01:22:27,850
case in my opinion and we have plenty of scientists
plenty of independent groups always doing

819
01:22:27,850 --> 01:22:32,230
things with UFOs and as we already said UFOs
are seen all around the world every single

820
01:22:32,230 --> 01:22:38,460
day there's no shortage of of UFO news to
follow UFO stories things to investigate rabbit

821
01:22:38,460 --> 01:22:43,910
holes to go down so I think we would be just
fine ufology is always going to be fine um

822
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:49,630
you know as long as we don't burn it to the
ground on intention finally from the inside

823
01:22:49,630 --> 01:22:54,050
I know some people think that's needed and
you know I think revamping how things are

824
01:22:54,050 --> 01:23:00,139
done is fine but I think a lot of times and
most times ufology if it's even a thing gets

825
01:23:00,139 --> 01:23:04,969
confused with just an interest in UFOs if
we're talking about actual scientific research

826
01:23:04,969 --> 01:23:13,679
or even responsible research trying to find
answers to any of these Mysteries you know

827
01:23:13,679 --> 01:23:16,940
government assistance is fantastic you know
that's another piece of the puzzle we would

828
01:23:16,940 --> 01:23:21,840
love them to be involved we would love the
the data um you know and information they

829
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:26,820
can provide the the details about cases they've
looked into that's all great and contributes

830
01:23:26,820 --> 01:23:32,350
to helping us as researchers and the general
public overall giving us governmental sources

831
01:23:32,350 --> 01:23:35,660
we can point to you because those do carry
weight whether or not you trust the government

832
01:23:35,660 --> 01:23:40,570
is a different issue but it does you know
it gives us an official source to point to

833
01:23:40,570 --> 01:23:45,440
for a lot of these claims a lot of the information
but if we don't have them if we don't have

834
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:52,530
their official official efforts going on that's
fine we would be just fine you know and and

835
01:23:52,530 --> 01:23:57,739
we have plenty of scientists again who are
currently and have been for a long time very

836
01:23:57,739 --> 01:24:02,790
interested in this subject and in doing their
research too but you can go in your backyard

837
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:05,980
and do your own research I mean there's a
lot of [\h__\h] up in the sky look and you'll

838
01:24:05,980 --> 01:24:11,600
see it um you know we don't need to wait for
the the US government to give us answers there

839
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:15,530
are plenty of governments around the world
who have given us the answers that they have

840
01:24:15,530 --> 01:24:19,750
um and so has the US government many times
we might not like the answer we've been given

841
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:25,250
but they've given it so yay disclosures happened
but we can move beyond that we don't need

842
01:24:25,250 --> 01:24:30,930
to wait around for some magic moment to to
all of a sudden be enlightened answers to

843
01:24:30,930 --> 01:24:36,119
these questions aren't going to come they
just can't dealing with something as anomalous

844
01:24:36,119 --> 01:24:42,239
as UFOs and because although we group them
nicely together to be a contained topic that

845
01:24:42,239 --> 01:24:49,409
we can talk about they are not related they're
all different every UFO situation isn't independent

846
01:24:49,409 --> 01:24:53,969
case and some are are related sure some are
going to be the same thing but they're a whole

847
01:24:53,969 --> 01:24:59,810
lot of everything and so you're never going
to have an answer to the UFO mystery because

848
01:24:59,810 --> 01:25:05,140
it's not a single singular mystery that's
what makes it so frustrating but we still

849
01:25:05,140 --> 01:25:11,040
do it because we love it Ryan we love it baby
I love it I love chasing that mystery like

850
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:15,880
it gives me purpose as I know it does a lot
of people who get interested probably most

851
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:20,650
of the people in this chat like I I love seeing
in the chat all these people saying I don't

852
01:25:20,650 --> 01:25:27,489
need the government to tell me no you don't
like and we shouldn't be I mean it's one Avenue

853
01:25:27,489 --> 01:25:35,199
but like you said like go outside look up
um I talked last week about Sky 360 which

854
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:42,989
is kind of the evolved version of skyhub where
you can you know set this thing up track monitor

855
01:25:42,989 --> 01:25:50,429
analyze data and possibly identify anomalous
things in the sky um which is amazing or yeah

856
01:25:50,429 --> 01:25:54,110
you know I know there's a lot of controversy
with it but you got something like Enigma

857
01:25:54,110 --> 01:26:00,100
Labs where you know you can upload a report
or a video or whatever into their AI system

858
01:26:00,100 --> 01:26:05,460
that they're going to be having with their
app and possibly identify something and um

859
01:26:05,460 --> 01:26:11,420
there's ways to do all of the this without
any sort of government involvement um agree

860
01:26:11,420 --> 01:26:16,420
that could be argued I I need to walk that
back because I think Enigma Labs might be

861
01:26:16,420 --> 01:26:22,510
working with some government people yeah they
might but I think but again again it's not

862
01:26:22,510 --> 01:26:26,520
their their sole Focus right right and again
we have to keep that in mind too with the

863
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:32,850
government efforts they're great but they're
primarily focused on military issues and restricted

864
01:26:32,850 --> 01:26:39,080
airspace training training ranges things like
that where the UFO mystery is not that narrow

865
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:45,110
so you know yes that their efforts are are
certainly appreciated uh and we need all hands

866
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:50,869
on deck right I mean the more the more eyes
on this stuff the better so I I welcome it

867
01:26:50,869 --> 01:26:55,969
just as I welcome any of these these initiatives
you know I don't necessarily personally get

868
01:26:55,969 --> 01:27:02,400
involved with you know everything that comes
up um because I might not not necessarily

869
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:09,420
personally believe the approach or or or what
the the group in particular is doing but I'm

870
01:27:09,420 --> 01:27:13,690
glad somebody's doing it just like seti right
said he gets a lot of [\h__\h] um for what

871
01:27:13,690 --> 01:27:18,630
they do but I think what they do and and I
don't think a lot of people understand how

872
01:27:18,630 --> 01:27:24,230
broad God what seti does is they don't just
listen for radio signals it's much much more

873
01:27:24,230 --> 01:27:29,630
elaborate than that but I'm glad somebody's
doing that right because I don't have to not

874
01:27:29,630 --> 01:27:33,510
that I have the knowledge to but you know
it takes it off somebody's plate we have somebody

875
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:39,550
doing that lets other people focus on other
things we can cover all of our bases it's

876
01:27:39,550 --> 01:27:43,880
a big world and there are more than enough
UFOs to go around so let's work together and

877
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:49,340
figure it out let's figure it out I'm with
you my man so many different ways to do it

878
01:27:49,340 --> 01:27:55,950
um well I want to end kind of on a um a fun
little note if that's cool with you I've kept

879
01:27:55,950 --> 01:28:03,170
you longer than uh so well yeah yeah we'll
we'll have some fun here um so and you can't

880
01:28:03,170 --> 01:28:10,840
not you can you can't you can't Wow Come On
Ryan you can do this words you can't not have

881
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:18,219
fun okay with our buddy Andy mcgrillin over
at that UFO podcast because he recently had

882
01:28:18,219 --> 01:28:29,380
our our very good friend God bless him Stephen
Bassett um we've had some interesting run-ins

883
01:28:29,380 --> 01:28:34,840
with him throughout the years at conferences
and whatnot uh we have so many stories we

884
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:39,260
could tell about Steve Bassett uh but we'll
leave that for another show we'll leave that

885
01:28:39,260 --> 01:28:44,980
for a patreon episode how's that sound um
but Andy asked him a fun question he asked

886
01:28:44,980 --> 01:28:52,489
him if Biden like if a sitting president you
know Came To You Stephen Bassett and was like

887
01:28:52,489 --> 01:28:57,610
okay like let's do this let's sit down and
what do you want to know what do you want

888
01:28:57,610 --> 01:29:01,619
to know for me the president on what I know
about this UFO thing you've been lobbying

889
01:29:01,619 --> 01:29:05,621
for for all these years what do you want to
know um so I want to go ahead and play the

890
01:29:05,621 --> 01:29:12,400
clip for you Jason and then I want to get
your what your questions would be um for Biden

891
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:16,139
or or any sitting president when dealing with
cool so let's go ahead and watch this clip

892
01:29:16,139 --> 01:29:21,420
then we'll wrap things up guys we get that
confirmation day this summer and Joe Biden

893
01:29:21,420 --> 01:29:25,690
comes to you and says Stephen your work over
the last few decades hasn't gone unnoticed

894
01:29:25,690 --> 01:29:30,699
you know some incredible work and I just want
to give you four steps and a couple of questions

895
01:29:30,699 --> 01:29:35,570
you know what does Stephen Bassett want to
know first have you got one maybe two questions

896
01:29:35,570 --> 01:29:40,280
that writing top of your head you would need
to get the answer to if you could get it there

897
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:41,280
and then

898
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:50,929
um well look I the the the the I have well
these are the key things that I think most

899
01:29:50,929 --> 01:30:00,179
people will want to know uh first of all uh
I want to know whether there is technology

900
01:30:00,179 --> 01:30:06,830
sequestered within the United States government
facilities and or contractor facilities which

901
01:30:06,830 --> 01:30:13,239
could be of great help to uh the human race
and dealing with its mounting problems that

902
01:30:13,239 --> 01:30:22,010
is sequestered because the truth embargo would
be jeopardized if it was put into use okay

903
01:30:22,010 --> 01:30:27,570
in other words it'd be great if we could give
this to you guys but we can't because if we

904
01:30:27,570 --> 01:30:34,100
did you'd kind of know that the ETS are here
and that's still embargo right uh so that's

905
01:30:34,100 --> 01:30:42,489
one of the key questions uh another question
is do you does the government have any formal

906
01:30:42,489 --> 01:30:47,719
relationship with these et's already has there
been any formal relations any deal struck

907
01:30:47,719 --> 01:30:54,491
whatever treaties I don't think so but that's
a good question have you done that all right

908
01:30:54,491 --> 01:31:00,830
um another question is have you been involved
in the contact World in other words have you

909
01:31:00,830 --> 01:31:12,470
in any way uh how would you say created scenarios
to simulate contact with with with citizens

910
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:18,469
of the country in order to get information
which would be unpleasant but I want to know

911
01:31:18,469 --> 01:31:22,989
that and by the way doesn't mean that this
is day one question so these are the questions

912
01:31:22,989 --> 01:31:27,489
but I understand that you're not going to
necessarily ask that question on day one day

913
01:31:27,489 --> 01:31:30,659
two day but these are the three things that
I'd like to know about

914
01:31:30,659 --> 01:31:39,560
ah always good to hear from Stephen Bassett
um I found those questions pretty interesting

915
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:44,861
you know the treaty one like we've heard those
rumors throughout the Decades of like you

916
01:31:44,861 --> 01:31:51,199
know was it Eisenhower who apparently had
treaties with the aliens and all that and

917
01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:56,620
has stuff been sequestered apparently you
know according to his Basset yes he knows

918
01:31:56,620 --> 01:32:03,710
the answer to that question the truth at Bargo
remains um the last question was really interesting

919
01:32:03,710 --> 01:32:13,719
to me this um idea of have there been scenarios
created to make contact UM I did an episode

920
01:32:13,719 --> 01:32:20,780
with I think it was Micah Hanks about the
uh Pentacle memorandum that Jacque Valley

921
01:32:20,780 --> 01:32:27,949
uncovered where it was like something deep
in the like crevices of Project Blue Book

922
01:32:27,949 --> 01:32:36,310
where he found this like tangent running investigation
of UFOs as Project Blue Book was going on

923
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:43,530
Jacques valet found this where they were creating
possible like UFO scenarios to almost bait

924
01:32:43,530 --> 01:32:50,190
UFO phenomenon um you know and like Alexander's
brought up this idea of like baiting UFOs

925
01:32:50,190 --> 01:32:57,090
with like nuclear subs and and nuclear installations
and stuff like that so I found that a really

926
01:32:57,090 --> 01:33:02,040
interesting that like Bassett went there like
that's what I would want to know too so what

927
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:06,610
did you make of his questions and what would
your questions be if you had the opportunity

928
01:33:06,610 --> 01:33:11,469
to talk to a city president about this well
it's funny because you know knowing Steve

929
01:33:11,469 --> 01:33:17,590
so well like if you would have put those questions
on a sheet of paper like a b c d e f g and

930
01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:21,520
said which of these three did did Steve ask
I probably would have been able to pick those

931
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:27,179
out just knowing the topics he likes to talk
about they definitely sounded Steve um but

932
01:33:27,179 --> 01:33:32,619
for me I mean it would be very difficult right
because mine would all be based on what what

933
01:33:32,619 --> 01:33:37,690
the president's response would be you know
initially to have you looked into UFOs because

934
01:33:37,690 --> 01:33:43,280
they all have different responses and they
have different different levels of of Interest

935
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:47,630
so you know just asking a president if they've
looked into the UFO issue or something is

936
01:33:47,630 --> 01:33:54,860
a very generic question but if there was a
yes answer I would want to go further and

937
01:33:54,860 --> 01:34:00,199
then ask how they went about it or how how
much they asked or who they asked or you know

938
01:34:00,199 --> 01:34:04,469
the whole process because if it was just a
casual thing and they weren't taking it seriously

939
01:34:04,469 --> 01:34:09,280
and they're all hey we've got UFOs here and
the answer is no then they laugh and go on

940
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:14,150
or was it more like you know Bill Clinton
and you know actual like going to Area 51

941
01:34:14,150 --> 01:34:20,020
and looking for you know answers to these
these things that you think you know so um

942
01:34:20,020 --> 01:34:23,909
yeah I think that would be important and then
perhaps you know providing some pointers of

943
01:34:23,909 --> 01:34:29,410
of where to look and report back to me and
let me know how this goes uh yeah that would

944
01:34:29,410 --> 01:34:33,190
be fun but I think it would depend on the
president then you'd need you need one who

945
01:34:33,190 --> 01:34:41,290
has who is certainly uh you know as interested
as as Clinton was and uh you know would know

946
01:34:41,290 --> 01:34:45,230
the right sources and and places that you're
supposed to to look and the people you're

947
01:34:45,230 --> 01:34:52,640
supposed to ask I know I think you know anytime
podesta gets involved with a campaign I'm

948
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:58,170
like yes this could be it finally I'm turning
it into like a mini version of Stephen Bassett

949
01:34:58,170 --> 01:35:02,780
anytime he coaches him on the right questions
to ask yeah yeah podesta is a good one having

950
01:35:02,780 --> 01:35:08,889
your corner for that uh I know and all we
can hope for is that Reggie Watts somehow

951
01:35:08,889 --> 01:35:13,830
gets the opportunity to ask another president
these questions on some late night show or

952
01:35:13,830 --> 01:35:19,330
something that'd be cool it'd be cool well
I want to know what you guys would ask a sitting

953
01:35:19,330 --> 01:35:24,210
president put it in the comments below um
I would love to hear your thoughts and opinions

954
01:35:24,210 --> 01:35:29,170
on that um and yeah I know everyone probably
didn't agree with some of the stuff we said

955
01:35:29,170 --> 01:35:34,500
tonight about the whole Gary Nolan thing but
look it's a developing story um we'll see

956
01:35:34,500 --> 01:35:39,540
if any of these promises all of these people
have been making for the past few months um

957
01:35:39,540 --> 01:35:45,770
are gonna come true you know are these whistleblowers
gonna come forward um are we in the public

958
01:35:45,770 --> 01:35:51,719
ever going to hear about it I think is the
more important question um you know what's

959
01:35:51,719 --> 01:35:56,360
the point if they're just going and telling
arrow and that becomes classified we have

960
01:35:56,360 --> 01:36:02,610
a huge class over classification problem in
the United States um if it's just going there

961
01:36:02,610 --> 01:36:07,679
what's the point ultimately that's what we
should expect though you know if these people

962
01:36:07,679 --> 01:36:12,570
are coming in and and they need such you know
protection whistleblower protection all of

963
01:36:12,570 --> 01:36:16,719
this stuff is heavily classified it's not
really going to come to the public because

964
01:36:16,719 --> 01:36:21,949
if it is it sort of defeats the purpose right
and it would sort of out them as being you

965
01:36:21,949 --> 01:36:28,390
know because I assume if these things actually
exist um these programs that people are allegedly

966
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:34,260
involved with reverse engineering alien technology
if that's actually what they're doing and

967
01:36:34,260 --> 01:36:39,420
whatever secret company that's doing that
finds out from an aero press release or a

968
01:36:39,420 --> 01:36:43,940
DOD press release that they had an anonymous
whistleblower fill them in and all these details

969
01:36:43,940 --> 01:36:48,300
of what this specific company was doing it'd
probably be pretty easy for them to figure

970
01:36:48,300 --> 01:36:56,040
out who who did it so again negating The Whistleblower
protection so if these whistleblowers are

971
01:36:56,040 --> 01:37:02,030
actually coming forward and and you know revealing
these things to Congress I don't think the

972
01:37:02,030 --> 01:37:07,340
general public will hear any sort of details
about that we'll just hear the the overall

973
01:37:07,340 --> 01:37:13,949
report the summation of yeah we've received
lots of testimony lots of interesting claims

974
01:37:13,949 --> 01:37:20,580
but as is our Focus here we have followed
the evidence and haven't been able to to confirm

975
01:37:20,580 --> 01:37:25,869
what they've said or we don't view it as credible
and you know it doesn't matter what they say

976
01:37:25,869 --> 01:37:32,290
even if they they voice 100 support or say
we we confirm this we can have people disagreeing

977
01:37:32,290 --> 01:37:36,080
with the government no matter what they say
because people either don't trust government

978
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:42,489
or it's not the answer they want to hear yep
exactly then we're caught in that that uh

979
01:37:42,489 --> 01:37:47,290
that conundrum we always find ourselves in
when it comes to this topic but it's a topic

980
01:37:47,290 --> 01:37:53,030
you and I continue to pursue and we love doing
and that's the reason everyone's here tonight

981
01:37:53,030 --> 01:37:57,840
is to hear about UFOs and we've done that
no matter what the brutal truth might be on

982
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:02,949
some of this um I think you know it's good
it's good to challenge a lot of these things

983
01:38:02,949 --> 01:38:07,820
you know when people are making bold claims
expect consequences from that so we'll see

984
01:38:07,820 --> 01:38:13,320
we'll see the Fallout from this Gary Nolan
story and whatever one thing is is to to keep

985
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:17,710
an open mind with all of this right I mean
you don't have to to latch on to something

986
01:38:17,710 --> 01:38:25,830
as soon as it comes out and go 100 in and
say I'm dying on this hill that's also foolish

987
01:38:25,830 --> 01:38:32,040
when it comes to strange topics like UFOs
because things do change we learn new information

988
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:37,710
and we have to allow our personal opinions
to change as we receive new information right

989
01:38:37,710 --> 01:38:43,730
so don't don't go all in on something and
and become that person who is just all about

990
01:38:43,730 --> 01:38:48,440
this one thing that one person said is coming
because more times than not you're going to

991
01:38:48,440 --> 01:38:55,969
be disappointed so so realistic expectations
that's always healthy and you know take it

992
01:38:55,969 --> 01:39:01,400
for what it is right now we have claims that
people have said so let's see if those things

993
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:08,190
materialize into something provable if they
don't we move on it doesn't change our world

994
01:39:08,190 --> 01:39:13,440
it doesn't deflate everything that's happened
any sort of great progress stomped into the

995
01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:19,560
ground everything is going to be fine we just
move forward we don't need the hype we don't

996
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:25,320
need to worry about promises or or what's
supposed to be coming this year or next year

997
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:30,489
or any sort of timeline there is no timeline
in my opinion I know other people disagree

998
01:39:30,489 --> 01:39:37,369
but take things as they come there's always
something new tomorrow so don't sweat it tomorrow's

999
01:39:37,369 --> 01:39:43,720
another day for the UFO topic guys um tomorrow's
another day Jason for rogue Planet as well

1000
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:50,120
buddy so let's let's do it man tease what
you got going on over at Rogue Planet what

1001
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:56,060
we can expect moving forward and uh yeah give
us give us all the socials and all that my

1002
01:39:56,060 --> 01:40:03,310
man yeah you got it so we recently uh revamped
the road Planet website completely redid it

1003
01:40:03,310 --> 01:40:07,920
so we've got a new rogue Planet website um
we've been taking it easy for a while because

1004
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:12,670
we're all busy in our lives spread across
the world but uh we're we're trying to get

1005
01:40:12,670 --> 01:40:18,810
back back to uh you know some regular content
some regular shows um you know I brought brought

1006
01:40:18,810 --> 01:40:26,340
back my podcast on known and rebranded it
as UFO UAP WTF so I do that uh basically monthly

1007
01:40:26,340 --> 01:40:30,930
but I'm trying to be realistic and not to
you know commit to schedules that I I can't

1008
01:40:30,930 --> 01:40:37,750
meet with my my busy life so that's why everything
I do is Ish right monthly-ish we recently

1009
01:40:37,750 --> 01:40:44,400
launched a UFO headline newsletter on LinkedIn
and that's weekly I usually launch that on

1010
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:48,770
every Monday so you can go on LinkedIn and
sign up for that and you'll see it on either

1011
01:40:48,770 --> 01:40:53,440
LinkedIn or it will be emailed to you so that's
a cool way to just kind of keep up with with

1012
01:40:53,440 --> 01:40:58,949
the headlines that are coming out every week
because again UFOs are seen every single day

1013
01:40:58,949 --> 01:41:02,690
all around the world and they generate headlines
all around the world every day so there's

1014
01:41:02,690 --> 01:41:07,130
lots of UFO news to keep up with we try to
do our best with that and make it as easy

1015
01:41:07,130 --> 01:41:13,300
as possible for people to to digest that and
keep up to date with what's going on um Ryan

1016
01:41:13,300 --> 01:41:19,601
we might we might try to bring back all the
strange sometimes this year to do a nice Web

1017
01:41:19,601 --> 01:41:24,550
Conference diving into some of these topics
we might uh have to do a little Bigfoot talk

1018
01:41:24,550 --> 01:41:29,610
and uh you know some of the other things we
love but uh our primary primary love and focus

1019
01:41:29,610 --> 01:41:34,639
is UFOs we try to stay on that so we will
be bringing back UFO happy hour soon where

1020
01:41:34,639 --> 01:41:39,790
we can have discussions like this as well
and just share our opinions rather than you

1021
01:41:39,790 --> 01:41:44,619
know our more journalistic approach that we
take on our individual shows so that's happening

1022
01:41:44,619 --> 01:41:50,170
and uh you know I keep teasing this but progress
is coming on my book um and I'll hopefully

1023
01:41:50,170 --> 01:41:55,070
have an update at the end of the summer about
that we'll see we'll see how far that goes

1024
01:41:55,070 --> 01:42:00,770
awesome and and yeah for those who don't know
you did share this you know early on in the

1025
01:42:00,770 --> 01:42:07,929
Stream um you just moved so uh we understand
that things have been a little slow so no

1026
01:42:07,929 --> 01:42:13,449
no it's good to know that you're you're settled
in I'm loving the new background you got here

1027
01:42:13,449 --> 01:42:19,320
for the live stream so no no it's always a
pleasure it's a work in progress I know I

1028
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:24,141
know I gotta do some of that with mine too
but um buddy I'm gonna let you go I'm gonna

1029
01:42:24,141 --> 01:42:29,130
debrief with the audience here tease a little
bit of what's going on at somewhere in the

1030
01:42:29,130 --> 01:42:34,560
skies but I will uh I will say good night
to you for now and um we'll have to have you

1031
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:40,290
back on very soon as as all these stories
develop as they always do thank you as always

1032
01:42:40,290 --> 01:42:45,099
Ryan it's always an honor and a pleasure hanging
out with you I love you brother thank you

1033
01:42:45,099 --> 01:42:49,980
for having me nothing but love right back
at you guys um everyone's giving their love

1034
01:42:49,980 --> 01:42:54,960
in the chat as well so thank you Jason thank
you once again for joining me on somewhere

1035
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:55,960
in the live stream

1036
01:42:55,960 --> 01:43:04,040
and there it is guys ah God I love talking
to him I love talking to him could talk for

1037
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:09,960
hours but that man has a life so we're going
to say goodnight to Jason um I'm gonna say

1038
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:14,170
good night to you guys as well again like
I know not everyone agrees with some of the

1039
01:43:14,170 --> 01:43:19,360
stuff we said tonight um but the whole Gary
Nolan thing but that's kind of where I'm at

1040
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:24,520
right now like yeah it was cool to hear him
talking about this stuff but it's all his

1041
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:31,830
thoughts his opinions um and you know does
he have some insight has he spoken to individuals

1042
01:43:31,830 --> 01:43:39,639
yeah he has so if a hundred other people so
have I um but those are my thoughts those

1043
01:43:39,639 --> 01:43:45,690
are my opinions those are my gut reactions
to the things I've been told by you know quote-unquote

1044
01:43:45,690 --> 01:43:53,910
Anonymous sources so um we'll see we'll see
um when it comes to what Gary Nolan said uh

1045
01:43:53,910 --> 01:44:00,800
I don't think it changed anything I'm just
gonna say it nothing has changed um everything

1046
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:06,290
he said has been said before it's been said
on Twitter it's been said publicly um that's

1047
01:44:06,290 --> 01:44:12,630
not a bad thing you know those things have
now been said to more people um so cool like

1048
01:44:12,630 --> 01:44:18,909
maybe some of those people will you know pursue
this topic now or invest in whatever Gary

1049
01:44:18,909 --> 01:44:24,340
Nolan wants them to invest in and maybe we
can get closer to some answers on some of

1050
01:44:24,340 --> 01:44:29,700
this but definitely not all of this so um
we'll see we'll see I know some people in

1051
01:44:29,700 --> 01:44:37,030
the chat are saying it as well um I've heard
too that something big is coming something

1052
01:44:37,030 --> 01:44:42,750
big is always coming um but yeah stay tuned
you know some big claims have been made that

1053
01:44:42,750 --> 01:44:48,230
things are going to really be shaken up in
the next six months or so um if six months

1054
01:44:48,230 --> 01:44:53,110
come and go and nothing has really changed
again then we reassess and like Jason said

1055
01:44:53,110 --> 01:44:59,949
we um we move on this topic will always be
here and we're all on the same side um as

1056
01:44:59,949 --> 01:45:04,510
much as it doesn't feel like that all the
time we are on the same side we're all after

1057
01:45:04,510 --> 01:45:10,310
the same damn thing and that's the truth to
what's going on in our skies so um just keep

1058
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:16,080
that in mind when we're having these you know
arguments and debates um we all want the same

1059
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:22,210
thing and that's the truth and the truth does
not have to come only from the United States

1060
01:45:22,210 --> 01:45:28,180
government or Arrow or or Gary Nolan or or
insert name here it doesn't have to come from

1061
01:45:28,180 --> 01:45:34,570
me either um find your own truth have your
own disclosure um that's I don't know that's

1062
01:45:34,570 --> 01:45:39,940
kind of where I'm I'm at with all of that
so I'm Gonna Leave You guys with that um but

1063
01:45:39,940 --> 01:45:46,599
I do want to tease what we have coming up
in the next few episodes of somewhere in the

1064
01:45:46,599 --> 01:45:53,480
skies how do I get this on here there we go
um premiering tonight the Navajo paranormal

1065
01:45:53,480 --> 01:45:59,430
Rangers this was an unbelievable conversation
um I think you guys are going to absolutely

1066
01:45:59,430 --> 01:46:07,070
love it these guys were seen recently on Unsolved
Mysteries and they are just the stories they

1067
01:46:07,070 --> 01:46:13,199
told me were amazing Stories you did not see
or hear on Unsolved Mysteries so um be on

1068
01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:19,130
the lookout for that coming out very very
shortly and then the next few hours um and

1069
01:46:19,130 --> 01:46:22,880
then the following week we have Close Encounters
of the Third Kind you may never have heard

1070
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:28,230
of um that's going to be a really fun episode
that I co-researched and co-wrote with Marcus

1071
01:46:28,230 --> 01:46:34,659
sloth of UFO Insight uh we got some close
encounter cases that you guys I don't think

1072
01:46:34,659 --> 01:46:38,699
some of you have ever heard of so that's going
to be fun and then we've got the Winchester

1073
01:46:38,699 --> 01:46:44,500
encounters which was a crazy string of events
that happened over here in the UK to be on

1074
01:46:44,500 --> 01:46:48,500
the lookout for that and last but not least
I've had to reschedule this one a few times

1075
01:46:48,500 --> 01:46:57,130
because she's very busy um we have Amy shiratido
who's in awesome space historian and author

1076
01:46:57,130 --> 01:47:02,570
and um and recently did some panels at alien
con so we're gonna hear all about her experiences

1077
01:47:02,570 --> 01:47:08,929
there and talk about her new book The Fight
for space and everything else so yeah some

1078
01:47:08,929 --> 01:47:14,930
awesome awesome stuff coming your way guys
um I think that's all I've got oh I have a

1079
01:47:14,930 --> 01:47:21,590
new book so please please please do me a huge
favor go and rate and review the book on Amazon

1080
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:28,090
it boosts us up in the algorithms and gets
us featured all that good stuff um my my Publishers

1081
01:47:28,090 --> 01:47:32,900
really want me to push to that so please write
and review the book on Amazon just takes a

1082
01:47:32,900 --> 01:47:39,140
few moments um to do that thank you to everyone
who's read the book bought the book reviewed

1083
01:47:39,140 --> 01:47:44,409
the book um I really truly truly do appreciate
your support and I hope you're enjoying the

1084
01:47:44,409 --> 01:47:50,429
book let me know which stories really stood
out to you um yeah yeah Daylin in the chat

1085
01:47:50,429 --> 01:47:55,139
is in the book look we may have a few others
in the chat who are featured as well so yeah

1086
01:47:55,139 --> 01:48:00,199
I hope you'll check it out 50 of the greatest
hits Greatest Hits from the witness account

1087
01:48:00,199 --> 01:48:09,179
Series so yeah yeah please please go check
that out as well um but that's it guys that's

1088
01:48:09,179 --> 01:48:14,080
it so I'm gonna say good night please like
this video please subscribe if you haven't

1089
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:18,820
turn on notifications all that good stuff
and I'll be on the lookout for a new episode

1090
01:48:18,820 --> 01:48:25,139
coming to you in just a few hours um again
my special thanks to Jason for joining me

1091
01:48:25,139 --> 01:48:31,929
tonight um go follow him on Twitter check
out everything at rogueplanet.tv and um that's

1092
01:48:31,929 --> 01:48:37,760
it guys what a fun episode we got to break
down some really fun cool stories and have

1093
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:43,179
a good conversation about this big story happening
in UFO Twitter world right now and that's

1094
01:48:43,179 --> 01:48:49,739
Gary Nolan so send him my love to Gary Nolan
as well um you know as much as we may uh be

1095
01:48:49,739 --> 01:48:55,570
critical of one another sometimes um these
conversations have to be had and he's a brilliant

1096
01:48:55,570 --> 01:49:01,090
brilliant Guy and um he has his own thoughts
opinions and beliefs and that's what we saw

1097
01:49:01,090 --> 01:49:07,110
play out at this eye conference in New York
city so um yeah I want disclosure just as

1098
01:49:07,110 --> 01:49:14,239
much as the next person trust me um but that's
it guys I will leave you with that so um as

1099
01:49:14,239 --> 01:49:19,449
always our Mantra here at somewhere in the
skies keep your feet on the ground but never

1100
01:49:19,449 --> 01:49:49,110
stop searching somewhere in the skies have
a great night [Music] [Applause] [Music]